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like ----- Please do not comment here
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I think there has to be a better solution than punishing new members with minus points.
I have seen this several times now, it is certainly not a good method.
A first email would definitely be a better step

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@[url=https://www.pindiy.com/space-uid-50467.html]Duckeyd[/url]  The reason you shouldn't comment in posts under moderation is [u]we, the mods, use the comments to alert of issues[/u]. 

Sometimes users leave comments that are very [u]useful to the mods[/u], when they spot duplicates or even alert of errors in the uploads. 

You @greenteas do this a lot and you have never been rated negatively or had coins removed.

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Please do not comment in posts under moderation, there are THOUSANDS of threads in the site where you can earn your 5gc.

[url=home.php?mod=space&uid=75884]@greenteas[/url] private messages fix nothing, people ignore the warnings and keep doing what they want. Since I started removing coins the unwanted comments have gone down 90%. It works very well! 
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A design they can't even see because it's still under moderation. It's irrational.

The current c ...[/quote]

I agree with you, Pitussa. 

Most of the replies, both on pattens and in other threads, are spam - posted only to get coins. "Thanks for sharing", "grazie mille", "it's lovely" are posted again and again. Such comments are often posted in threads where it doesn't even make sense, which makes it clear that the replier didn't check  what they were replying to.

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A design they can't even see because it's still under moderation. It's irrational.

The current comment system creates a "spam" problem. There is no meaningful conversation, all people want is to leave a generic thank you comment and get their 5gc.
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[url=home.php?mod=space&uid=10796]@Turquoise[/url] is it too much to ask for the users to wait some hours until the pattern makes it to the right forum? They have thousands of threads in the site to comment on. 


Anyone that knows a bit about SEO already knows this sort of commenting does not help the site search engine results at all, let's face it, what we do here gets this site banned from the normal internet.

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A very good idea greenteas. But I've seen older members who know not to post there still posting. Wh ...[/quote]

I think a warning/tip (no comments here) would avoid annoyance and frustration. Here someone expresses his enthusiasm about a new design and is punished for it. This is not a good solution, and certainly not in the spirit of PinDYI to attract new members. I have also done this when I see this is a duplicate, but will not do it again.
Kindness and fairness should prevail.
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@[url=https://www.pindiy.com/space-uid-50467.html]Duckeyd[/url]  The reason you shouldn't comment in posts under moderation is [u]we, the mods, use the comments to alert of issues[/u]. 

Sometimes users leave comments that are very [u]useful to the mods[/u], when they spot duplicates or even alert of errors in the uploads. 

You @greenteas do this a lot and you have never been rated negatively or had coins removed.

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Please do not comment in posts under moderation, there are THOUSANDS of threads in the site where you can earn your 5gc.

[url=home.php?mod=space&uid=75884]@greenteas[/url] private messages fix nothing, people ignore the warnings and keep doing what they want. Since I started removing coins the unwanted comments have gone down 90%. It works very well! 
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A design they can't even see because it's still under moderation. It's irrational.

The current comment system creates a "spam" problem. There is no meaningful conversation, all people want is to leave a generic thank you comment and get their 5gc.
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* repetition replies
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[url=home.php?mod=space&uid=10796]@Turquoise[/url] is it too much to ask for the users to wait some hours until the pattern makes it to the right forum? They have thousands of threads in the site to comment on. 


Anyone that knows a bit about SEO already knows this sort of commenting does not help the site search engine results at all, let's face it, what we do here gets this site banned from the normal internet.

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A design they can't even see because it's still under moderation. It's irrational.

The current c ...[/quote]

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The current c ...[/quote]

When you dish it out and punish members like in kindergarten, 
you have to be able to take criticism.
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            [message] => [i=s] Edited by anniekins at 2021-6-6 10:49 [/i]

To be clear, members are permitted to reply anywhere on this site. The rule is: No spamming with repetitive replies in a single thread. However no area is off limits here. Members have many ways to report something wrong. In fact, reporting in the thread itself is not the best way as was pointed out here:

[url=https://www.pindiy.com/thread-459555-1-1.html]https://www.pindiy.com/thread-459555-1-1.html[/url]

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					<strong>greenteas</strong>
				Publish time 2021-6-2 03:02	</p>
			<h3>just a suggestion.....</h3>
		Admin, is there a possibility to give a hint for new members in the new upload forum:<br />
<br />
like ----- Please do not comment here<br />
Comments only allowed after moderation<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
I think there has to be a better solution than punishing new members with minus points.<br />
I have seen this several times now, it is certainly not a good method.<br />
A first email would definitely be a better step<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
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					<strong>pitussa</strong>
				Publish time 2021-6-3 02:27	</p>
			<h3></h3>
		 Edited by pitussa at 2021-6-2 19:37 <br />
<br />
@DuckeydThe reason you shouldn't comment in posts under moderation is we, the mods, use the comments to alert of issues. <br />
<br />
Sometimes users leave comments that are very useful to the mods, when they spot duplicates or even alert of errors in the uploads. <br />
<br />
You @greenteas do this a lot and you have never been rated negatively or had coins removed.<br />
<br />
So a comment is welcome if you need to alert the mods of an issue with thread, but random &quot;thank you&quot; comments clutter everything, and make our work harder.<br />
<br />
Please do not comment in posts under moderation, there are THOUSANDS of threads in the site where you can earn your 5gc.<br />
<br />
@greenteas private messages fix nothing, people ignore the warnings and keep doing what they want. Since I started removing coins the unwanted comments have gone down 90%. It works very well! 				<p class="author">
					<strong>Strawberry Cat</strong>
				Publish time 2021-6-3 22:46	</p>
			<h3></h3>
		static/image/common/user_online.gif pitussa static/image/common/clock.gif 2021-6-3 22:27<br />
A design they can't even see because it's still under moderation. It's irrational.<br />
<br />
The current c ...<br />
<br />
I agree with you, Pitussa. <br />
<br />
Most of the replies, both on pattens and in other threads, are spam - posted only to get coins. &quot;Thanks for sharing&quot;, &quot;grazie mille&quot;, &quot;it's lovely&quot; are posted again and again. Such comments are often posted in threads where it doesn't even make sense, which makes it clear that the replier didn't checkwhat they were replying to.<br />
<br />
If leaving the spam replies out of the moderation area helps the moderators, I fully support the replies being removed - and if a punishment of -10 coins helps, I fully support that, too.				<p class="author">
					<strong>pitussa</strong>
				Publish time 2021-6-3 22:27	</p>
			<h3></h3>
		Here someone expresses his enthusiasm about a new design and is punished for it. <br />
<br />
<br />
A design they can't even see because it's still under moderation. It's irrational.<br />
<br />
The current comment system creates a &quot;spam&quot; problem. There is no meaningful conversation, all people want is to leave a generic thank you comment and get their 5gc.<br />
This creates all this problems:<br />
* repetition replies<br />
* having rules about &quot;comment&quot; or &quot;reply&quot; buttons, which hinder a natural thread of conversation.<br />
* no real conversation happens, all there is is empty &quot;thank you spam&quot; all over the place<br />
<br />
@Turquoise is it too much to ask for the users to wait some hours until the pattern makes it to the right forum? They have thousands of threads in the site to comment on. <br />
<br />
<br />
Anyone that knows a bit about SEO already knows this sort of commenting does not help the site search engine results at all, let's face it, what we do here gets this site banned from the normal internet.<br />
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					<strong>Fox01</strong>
				Publish time 2021-6-2 03:20	</p>
			<h3></h3>
		Sinse the last update I see response in front desk (before Moderation) as well, still strange				<p class="author">
					<strong>Duckeyd</strong>
				Publish time 2021-6-2 03:54	</p>
			<h3></h3>
		A very good idea greenteas. But I've seen older members who know not to post there still posting. What is the answer?				<p class="author">
					<strong>joyceaw4</strong>
				Publish time 2021-6-2 09:43	</p>
			<h3></h3>
		I am loosing points, and do not know why?????I do the task, just finished, and no points added, or gold coins.I am being cheated!aaawhy?????this is so messed up.				<p class="author">
					<strong>greenteas</strong>
				Publish time 2021-6-2 13:00	</p>
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		static/image/common/user_online.gif Duckeyd static/image/common/clock.gif 2021-6-1 20:54<br />
A very good idea greenteas. But I've seen older members who know not to post there still posting. Wh ...<br />
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I think a warning/tip (no comments here) would avoid annoyance and frustration. Here someone expresses his enthusiasm about a new design and is punished for it. This is not a good solution, and certainly not in the spirit of PinDYI to attract new members. I have also done this when I see this is a duplicate, but will not do it again.<br />
Kindness and fairness should prevail.				<p class="author">
					<strong>greenteas</strong>
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		static/image/common/user_online.gif pitussa static/image/common/clock.gif 2021-6-3 15:27<br />
A design they can't even see because it's still under moderation. It's irrational.<br />
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The current c ...<br />
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When you dish it out and punish members like in kindergarten, <br />
you have to be able to take criticism.				<p class="author">
					<strong>anniekins</strong>
				Publish time 2021-6-6 22:48	</p>
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		 Edited by anniekins at 2021-6-6 10:49 <br />
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To be clear, members are permitted to reply anywhere on this site. The rule is: No spamming with repetitive replies in a single thread. However no area is off limits here. Members have many ways to report something wrong. In fact, reporting in the thread itself is not the best way as was pointed out here:<br />
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